Tîm criced i Gymru - Welsh Cricket Team
Tuesday 22 October 2013
First Minister Carwyn Jones supports a Welsh team
This article appeared in the Western Mail on the 26th of June 2002, after Wales had beaten England in a 50-over challenge match. You can find a link to it here
WALES should have a Test cricket team following their victory over England, business minister Carwyn Jones said yesterday.
Mr Jones said it was ``anachronistic'' to have Welshmen playing for an English cricket team. He said the only solutions would be to rename the English side Great Britain or to split it up with separate teams for Wales, Scotland and England.
He said it was bizarre that the Welsh players in Monday's game at Sophia Gardens, Cardiff, were effec-tively trying to play their way into the opposing team which they beat.
``It is time we had a Welsh Test team,'' he told reporters at the Welsh Assembly.
``How strange it must be for one team to hope to play well enough to join the opposition team. It has always struck me as rather odd to have a Great Britain cricket team. It is anachronistic to call it England when it has players from outside England. ``Either you should have a Welsh Test cricket team or a cricket team called Great Britain.'' Mr Jones will undoubtedly be accused of opportunism. And he conceded his call was unlikely to prove successful.
``But it is something that needs to be addressed given the obvious quality of Welsh cricket,'' he added.
Wales caused a major upset with their emphatic eight-wicket victory against England. The win was a warm-up game for England in preparation for a triangular one-day series against Sri Lanka and India.
Take Action for a Welsh Team
Friends it is time to lobby your Assembly Members to ask that they
support establishing a Welsh national cricket team. To do this is simple.
First click this link and
then enter your postcode. Then click write to all your AMs.
Then simply write your AMs an email
telling them why you think Wales should have its own cricket team. It is best
to keep it positive and to stick to the subject matter without becoming in any
way confrontational.
If you need some help then you can base it
on the sample letter below.
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I writing writing to ask that you
vote in favour of noting the Petition Committee's report on establishing a
Welsh national cricket team in plenary on Wednesday the 23rd of October.
The report calls for there to be
consultation in the cricketing community on whether such a team should
established. I am firmly of the opinion that it would be a huge benefit for
Wales if we did establish the team.
So many Welsh cricketers never play any
international cricket because they must try to get into the England team. If
there was a Welsh team then there would always be at least 11 Welsh people
playing international cricket.
It would also give fantastic exposure to
to our country. During the recent Ashes series England played against Ireland
and Australia played against Scotland. This gave international exposure to
Scotland and Ireland in their own right. The only thing people saw
internationally about Wales was that England play their home games in Cardiff.
What sort of message does that send about Wales?
There are so many internationally
recognised teams in the British Isles: England, Ireland, Scotland... even the
Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey have their own ICC recognised teams. But Wales
does not and that is something that we now have the opportunity to
change.
Rugby and football players get to grow up
dreaming of playing for Wales and that is a good thing. But for those who love
cricket there is no Welsh team to dream of playing for or to support.
I ask that you give your support to noting
the Committee's report so that we can continue to explore the possibility of
establishing our own team.
If you would like more information you can
click this link
Cricket Wales have "no plans" for a Welsh national team
This was sent to all Assembly Members today by Cricket Wales and Glamorgan. Disgraceful that they still believe a Welsh team wouldn't constitute international cricket.
JOINT STATEMENT FROM CRICKET WALES AND GLAMORGAN CRICKET REGARDING SENEDD DEBATE: "WALES NATIONAL CRICKET TEAM” 23rd OCTOBER 2013
The idea of a Welsh national cricket team is an emotive subject. Regardless of how desirable it would be to see our proud identity represented on the international stage, it is a romantic notion that is unlikely to be beneficial to the game in Wales, the watching public or the current and future players of the sport.
Let us consider the existing structures and processes in place for cricket in Wales, whether recreational at grassroots, or professional with Glamorgan County Cricket Club, which would be jeopardised with such seismic change.
Cricket Wales is the national governing body for the junior and senior recreational game in Wales and strives to achieve 4 main outcomes:
• More young people, adults & families are involved and retained within cricket.
• Cricket is easily accessible to everyone in Wales.
• People have a fun, enjoyable and positive experience in cricket.
• People (i.e. players, coaches, officials, ground-staff, club volunteers etc) have the opportunity to be the best they can.
All of these objectives are currently delivered in partnership with the England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB), in terms of funding support, utilising competition structures and provision of opponents, coach and player development programmes, business models and a shared player development pathway which gives Welsh players the opportunity to ultimately play on the biggest stage, with the best facilities, in the best venue, alongside and against the best players in the world. Cricket in Wales and players at all levels benefit from aligning with the England and Wales Cricket Board.
Comparisons can be drawn with near geographical neighbours as such a working relationship is not enjoyed by Scotland or Ireland. Both instead possess International Cricket Council (ICC) membership status and play against other nations around the globe. The standard of cricket at this level is inferior to the level of domestic competition provided by the ECB (i.e. County Championship, T20 and 50-over domestic tournaments) and equally it is weaker at age grade levels throughout the game. Both the professional game and the pathway from age grade cricket are supported centrally by ECB funding, as are many other facets of the sport in Wales.
Indeed both Ireland and Scotland have been independently registered with the ICC for about 10 years and it has taken a long time for them to reach the stage they are at. The recent success of Ireland Cricket should be applauded, but Welsh players have achieved a great deal more within the ECB structure, and are highly likely to continue to do so.
By standing alone as an ICC associate member, the sporting, economic and political consequences for both professional and recreational cricket in Wales are stark, with even local club cricket affected.
At the highest level, Glamorgan's status as a First-Class County would be questioned as it relies heavily on ECB central funding generated through broadcast of England international fixtures. Certainly no (England) international events such as the Ashes of 2009, which return in 2015, nor the seven hugely successful ICC Champions Trophy fixtures of this year would be held in Wales.
International cricket is a cornerstone of Glamorgan's business plan. The SWALEC Stadium was built for sell-out international cricket matches and large events. Without international cricket Wales would suffer from the loss of international exposure these high profile fixtures bring, the people of Wales would miss the opportunity to be inspired by seeing the world's best on their doorstep and Glamorgan would miss the income generated.
Young players developing in the game already have the opportunity to play for Wales at Under 11 boys to Senior Women, against top quality opponents from strong English Counties such as Somerset, Yorkshire and Middlesex. At full international level players who strive to achieve within the game, would face a choice of England or Wales, with a four year wait required between appearing for either nation - the chance to follow in the footsteps of Simon Jones and Robert Croft to play Ashes Test Match cricket or to play the Netherlands in Amsterdam?
Recently Irish-born and qualified player, Boyd Rankin, made the following statement following his selection for this winter's England Ashes series:
"It's one step closer to my dream of playing Test Match cricket. I'm over the moon that
I have got into the squad. I've always had the ambition to play Test Match cricket but
I think it was that step when I did decide to stop for Ireland. I wanted to concentrate
on playing for Warwickshire and force my way in”
We welcome the opportunity for the future of Welsh cricket to be given public consideration and we recognise more work is required to improve the talent pool in Wales. However we are already on the right road to develop the growth of the game at grassroots through clubs and schools in Wales, to better enable the progress of elite players and to increase the number of youngsters pushing for selection into Glamorgan's first team.
Cricket Wales and Glamorgan CCC are totally committed to developing Welsh cricket through being part of the ECB. A future Welsh international team forms no part of our plans due to the hugely detrimental impact it would have on the game in Wales at all levels.
Yours sincerely
Peter Hybart Barry O'Brien
Chief Executive Chairman
Cricket Wales Glamorgan CCC Ltd
JOINT STATEMENT FROM CRICKET WALES AND GLAMORGAN CRICKET REGARDING SENEDD DEBATE: "WALES NATIONAL CRICKET TEAM” 23rd OCTOBER 2013
The idea of a Welsh national cricket team is an emotive subject. Regardless of how desirable it would be to see our proud identity represented on the international stage, it is a romantic notion that is unlikely to be beneficial to the game in Wales, the watching public or the current and future players of the sport.
Let us consider the existing structures and processes in place for cricket in Wales, whether recreational at grassroots, or professional with Glamorgan County Cricket Club, which would be jeopardised with such seismic change.
Cricket Wales is the national governing body for the junior and senior recreational game in Wales and strives to achieve 4 main outcomes:
• More young people, adults & families are involved and retained within cricket.
• Cricket is easily accessible to everyone in Wales.
• People have a fun, enjoyable and positive experience in cricket.
• People (i.e. players, coaches, officials, ground-staff, club volunteers etc) have the opportunity to be the best they can.
All of these objectives are currently delivered in partnership with the England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB), in terms of funding support, utilising competition structures and provision of opponents, coach and player development programmes, business models and a shared player development pathway which gives Welsh players the opportunity to ultimately play on the biggest stage, with the best facilities, in the best venue, alongside and against the best players in the world. Cricket in Wales and players at all levels benefit from aligning with the England and Wales Cricket Board.
Comparisons can be drawn with near geographical neighbours as such a working relationship is not enjoyed by Scotland or Ireland. Both instead possess International Cricket Council (ICC) membership status and play against other nations around the globe. The standard of cricket at this level is inferior to the level of domestic competition provided by the ECB (i.e. County Championship, T20 and 50-over domestic tournaments) and equally it is weaker at age grade levels throughout the game. Both the professional game and the pathway from age grade cricket are supported centrally by ECB funding, as are many other facets of the sport in Wales.
Indeed both Ireland and Scotland have been independently registered with the ICC for about 10 years and it has taken a long time for them to reach the stage they are at. The recent success of Ireland Cricket should be applauded, but Welsh players have achieved a great deal more within the ECB structure, and are highly likely to continue to do so.
By standing alone as an ICC associate member, the sporting, economic and political consequences for both professional and recreational cricket in Wales are stark, with even local club cricket affected.
At the highest level, Glamorgan's status as a First-Class County would be questioned as it relies heavily on ECB central funding generated through broadcast of England international fixtures. Certainly no (England) international events such as the Ashes of 2009, which return in 2015, nor the seven hugely successful ICC Champions Trophy fixtures of this year would be held in Wales.
International cricket is a cornerstone of Glamorgan's business plan. The SWALEC Stadium was built for sell-out international cricket matches and large events. Without international cricket Wales would suffer from the loss of international exposure these high profile fixtures bring, the people of Wales would miss the opportunity to be inspired by seeing the world's best on their doorstep and Glamorgan would miss the income generated.
Young players developing in the game already have the opportunity to play for Wales at Under 11 boys to Senior Women, against top quality opponents from strong English Counties such as Somerset, Yorkshire and Middlesex. At full international level players who strive to achieve within the game, would face a choice of England or Wales, with a four year wait required between appearing for either nation - the chance to follow in the footsteps of Simon Jones and Robert Croft to play Ashes Test Match cricket or to play the Netherlands in Amsterdam?
Recently Irish-born and qualified player, Boyd Rankin, made the following statement following his selection for this winter's England Ashes series:
"It's one step closer to my dream of playing Test Match cricket. I'm over the moon that
I have got into the squad. I've always had the ambition to play Test Match cricket but
I think it was that step when I did decide to stop for Ireland. I wanted to concentrate
on playing for Warwickshire and force my way in”
We welcome the opportunity for the future of Welsh cricket to be given public consideration and we recognise more work is required to improve the talent pool in Wales. However we are already on the right road to develop the growth of the game at grassroots through clubs and schools in Wales, to better enable the progress of elite players and to increase the number of youngsters pushing for selection into Glamorgan's first team.
Cricket Wales and Glamorgan CCC are totally committed to developing Welsh cricket through being part of the ECB. A future Welsh international team forms no part of our plans due to the hugely detrimental impact it would have on the game in Wales at all levels.
Yours sincerely
Peter Hybart Barry O'Brien
Chief Executive Chairman
Cricket Wales Glamorgan CCC Ltd
Monday 21 October 2013
Q&A - Everything you need to know about Welsh cricket
When was cricket first played in
Wales?
The earliest recorded match to have
taken place in Wales was in 1783 on Court Henry Down in
Carmarthenshire. The match was arranged by J.G. Philipps, who was a
member of the Carmarthenshire gentry and became MP for Carmarthen
Borough in the same year.
Has there ever been a Welsh national
team?
Ninety years ago, in 1923, the first
attempts at forming a Welsh national team took place when Glamorgan
batsman Norman Riches played an influential role in forming the Welsh
Cricket Union. He did this because he believed there was enough
talent in Wales to create a representative Welsh side.
It was decided not to pursue a Welsh
test team because at the time this would have led to Glamorgan
dropping out of the County Championship. Nonetheless, the Welsh
Cricket Union saw a Welsh national cricket team as a longer term goal
and continued to organise international matches against teams such as
Scotland, New Zealand, South Africa and the West Indies, who Wales
defeated in 1928.
In 1969 the Welsh Cricket Association
was formed to organise a Welsh amateur team. During the early 1970s
the amateur national team played several home internationals and
played the MCC once a year.
In 1979 Gibraltar pulled out of the ICC
Trophy and so the Welsh side was asked to take part. The Welsh side
beat both the Netherlands and Israel, narrowly lost to the USA and
had their match against eventual winners Sri Lanka abandoned due to
bad weather. This meant Wales finished 2nd in their group
but could not carry on to the semi-final as only one second placed
team went through and Canada had more points in their group.
Between 1993 and 2001 Wales competed in
the annual Triple Crown Tournament, played between Wales, Ireland,
Scotland and an England Amateur XI. The tournament was hosted by
Wales in both 1996 and 2000.
Between 2000 and 2004 Wales also played
an annual 50-over challenge match against England in June. Wales won
the first of these matches by 8 wickets.
Since 2004 no team representing Wales
has played an international match.
Why is it the right time to
establish a Welsh national cricket team?
Cricket is a game
of history and traditions that have stood the test of time for
centuries.
Wales was in fact
the second country to begin playing cricket, after it was invented in England, with the
first known games taking place in the 18th Century.
Cricket clubs in Wales were also set up at that time, making them
amongst the oldest in the world.
Throughout the
20th Century a Welsh first class team played matches
against other international sides, including in international
tournaments, but a permanent Welsh national team was never
established.
And so until the
1990s cricket in Wales, along with Scotland and England, was governed
by the Test and County Cricket Board (TCCB). But Scotland took the
positive decision to establish its own national side, which gained
ICC recognition in 1994. Ireland had already gained membership to the
ICC a year earlier in 1993.
There are in fact
six ICC recognised teams in the British Isles because even the small
islands of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man have their own teams.
Wales is, therefore, in the unique position in the British Isles of
being unrepresented.
Wales missed her
chance to establish her own team in the ‘90s because the decision
was taken by the powers that be that Wales would be better off being
represented by England. And so the England and Wales Cricket Board
(ECB) was established once Scotland had set up its national team.
But the idea of
establishing a Welsh side was never forgotten.
The occasional
Welsh player managed to play for England, averaging around one player
every ten years. It has in fact been over eight years since the last
Welshman played senior international cricket – Simon Jones in the
Ashes in 2005. This means a whole new generation of Welsh players in
their twenties have gone without experiencing international cricket.
But now the game
of cricket is changing internationally and Wales must be a positive
part of that change. The Woolf Review into cricket’s governance,
which talks about establishing a Welsh team, came to the conclusion
that cricket needs to become more transparent, to open up and avoid
vested interests if the game is to expand globally.
Twenty20 is also changing the face of the game and winning over new fans across the world for the sport. As Twenty20 increases cricket’s popularity, financial opportunities for emerging nations will increase and the emphasis on test cricket will decrease somewhat. This makes it absolutely the right time to establish a Welsh national team so that as these major changes take place we do not miss our opportunity again but instead reap the sporting and financial benefits.
Twenty20 is also changing the face of the game and winning over new fans across the world for the sport. As Twenty20 increases cricket’s popularity, financial opportunities for emerging nations will increase and the emphasis on test cricket will decrease somewhat. This makes it absolutely the right time to establish a Welsh national team so that as these major changes take place we do not miss our opportunity again but instead reap the sporting and financial benefits.
How popular is cricket in Wales?
Cricket in Wales is somewhat of an
anomaly and is not always very visible. As Dominic Malcolm notes in
his book Globalizing Cricket: 'the curiously anonymous history of
Welsh cricket is... probably a consequence of a failure to either
passionately embrace the game (as evident in the Caribbean) or to
reject it outright (as in America). Rather, for much of the game's
history the Welsh have appeared to be content for their game to
quietly become subsumed by its English big brother'.
Nonetheless, cricket is still regarded
as Wales' third sport behind rugby and football.
This was not always the case because
cricket was the first organised team game in Wales. The establishment
of many famous football and rugby teams in Wales were actually as a
result of cricket teams wanting to keep fit over the winter through
other sports. This is the case for
Premier League side Cardiff City FC, who were established by Riverside
Cricket Club in 1899.One of Wales' most famous rugby teams, Pontypool
RFC, was also formed by Pontypool Cricket Club in 1868.
Since the beginning of the 20th
Century the popularity of cricket has fallen behind that of football
and rugby but cricket is changing. The much shorter Twenty20 format
is opening cricket up to new audiences and expanding the game of
cricket to new nations. Just like the 100m in running is considerably
more popular for viewers than the longer running formats, this is
becoming true for cricket. With the popularity of Twenty20 growing
globally it is likely that cricket in Wales will also see an increase
in popularity.
What will happen to Glamorgan?
The idea of establishing a Welsh
national cricket team is intended to compliment Glamorgan. It is
important that Wales has a strong county representative in the County
Championship. But is also important that the nation has a strong
representative in international fixtures.
Glamorgan is currently struggling as a
county. It is in a large amount of debt and the administration of the
club has led to high-profile resignations and serious questions
raised over the running of the club.
It has already been confirmed by the
ECB that establishing a Welsh team will not effect Glamorgan's status
within the English county system. This precedent already exists in football, where Wales has her own FIFA recognised national team but several Welsh clubs play in the English leagues. The question mark is over Glamorgan hosting
England internationals, which will be addressed later on.
Will the team be any good?
This is a question often raised in
justification for not having a team. It has even been raised by
Sports Wales in the National Assembly.
The question, however, should not be entertained. The only question that is relevant is “who are the best 11 Welsh cricket players?” These 11 players will then be who makes up the team and it will then be the job of the board to get the best out of those 11 players with the resources available. At times they will win and at times they will lose. But as a Welsh team we will support them regardless. This is the nature of international sport.
The question, however, should not be entertained. The only question that is relevant is “who are the best 11 Welsh cricket players?” These 11 players will then be who makes up the team and it will then be the job of the board to get the best out of those 11 players with the resources available. At times they will win and at times they will lose. But as a Welsh team we will support them regardless. This is the nature of international sport.
What is not in international sports'
nature is to simply not have your own team but to try and get your
players into another country's team. The Welsh football team isn't
particularly good. There is currently no expectation for the team to
win European or World Cups. But few would argue that we should
abandon the Welsh football team and try to get one or two of our best
players into the England team instead. Seeing Gareth Bale play at Wembley, with
the Three Lions and the word England on his chest and 10 Englishmen as teammates would offend most
Welsh football fans' sensibilities. But this is precisely the
situation for cricket in Wales.
Regardless, Wales could certainly rival
Ireland and Scotland and challenge some of the test playing nations.
Ireland, for example, have recorded famous victories over Pakistan
and England. And yet we have more players, we have more clubs and we
have better facilities than Ireland. In Scotland and Ireland they
also have more sports than Wales, with Gaelic football and
shinty/hurling as well as football and rugby competing with each
other. In Wales it really is just the big three that have large fan
bases and participation.
We also already have two first class
teams, Glamorgan and Cardiff MCC University, and we have a wonderful
test ground in the SWALEC Stadium.
Isn't England just a Great Britain
team?
No. In the British Isles there are six
teams recognised by the International Cricket Council (ICC), who are
the sport's international governing body. These are Scotland, Ireland
(the Republic and Northern Ireland play as Ireland), England, the
Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey. The England cricket team is not,
therefore, something similar to a Team GB. It represents only England
and Wales, although almost all games are played in England and the
team's name, flag, colours and insignia make no reference to Wales. Wales is in
actual fact the only area of the British Isles with its own national
government that does not have a team.
Why are Glamorgan and Cricket Wales
opposed to establishing a Welsh national team?
Glamorgan believe that they will go
bankrupt if they can no longer host England test matches in the
SWALEC Stadium. Due to the very high levels of their debts it would
seem that they believe hosting some of the incredibly lucrative
England test matches is the only thing that can get them out of this debt.
Establishing an ICC-recognised Welsh
team would not immediately prevent them from bidding for tender for
England matches but they clearly believe that it would lessen their
chances.
And yet, hosting England test matches
is one of the reasons they find themselves in this financial
situation. In the past they have bid too high for the tenders to host
test matches and then failed to make the money back as a result of
very poor ticket sales. This has put them in the position of owing
large amounts of money to the ECB rather than profiting from that
relationship and even having test matches stripped from them. Furthermore, hosting third party matches in cricket is
completely normal. Pakistan and Afghanistan both play all of their home games in the United Arab Emirates.
What is perhaps more worrying for
Glamorgan is that, whether there is a Welsh team or not, there is no
guarantee that Glamorgan will win further tenders to host England
matches anyway since the process is so competitive and there are now
many top-quality grounds in England.
The last tender process led to Wales hosting none of the test matches for the recent Ashes. Instead, England played one “home” ODI game in Wales. However, England also played an ODI in Ireland and Australia played an ODI in Scotland. This means that England and Australia each played as many games in Scotland and Ireland as they did in Wales. The key difference is that Scotland and Ireland have their own national teams, with 11 players from each country playing in those games. They also both got international exposure in their own right. For Wales meanwhile, not a single Welsh person played during the Ashes and our country got international exposure as a place where England go to play their “home” games. What message does that send out to the world about Wales.
The last tender process led to Wales hosting none of the test matches for the recent Ashes. Instead, England played one “home” ODI game in Wales. However, England also played an ODI in Ireland and Australia played an ODI in Scotland. This means that England and Australia each played as many games in Scotland and Ireland as they did in Wales. The key difference is that Scotland and Ireland have their own national teams, with 11 players from each country playing in those games. They also both got international exposure in their own right. For Wales meanwhile, not a single Welsh person played during the Ashes and our country got international exposure as a place where England go to play their “home” games. What message does that send out to the world about Wales.
Cricket Wales's bitterly ironic
opposition to a Welsh team is ostensibly about finance. They believe
cricket as a sport in Wales will suffer because they will no longer
receive funding from the ECB. Instead they will receive funding from
the ICC just like all the other cricket boards in the British Isles.
However, Cricket Wales also seems to be ideologically opposed to establishing a cricket team for Wales. They have never engaged in the process with any openness and have not made any efforts to explore whether establishing the team would be a viable possibility. From the very first moment they have been absolutely opposed to it and have made every effort to shut it down.
However, Cricket Wales also seems to be ideologically opposed to establishing a cricket team for Wales. They have never engaged in the process with any openness and have not made any efforts to explore whether establishing the team would be a viable possibility. From the very first moment they have been absolutely opposed to it and have made every effort to shut it down.
It is surely the case that an
organisation called Cricket Wales, who receive funding from Sports
Wales, who in turn receive their budget
from the National Assembly for Wales and the
Welsh Government really ought to be
doing everything possible to establish a Welsh cricket
team rather than everything possible to
prevent it.
Finance
Establishing a Welsh team would mean
becoming an ICC member and part off the ICC funding stream. A Welsh
team would in fact open up new funding possibilities. On top of the
standard ICC funding Wales would push to quickly qualify for Higher
Performance Programme funding and, in recognition of the need to
expand cricket to new nations, Wales could receive funding through
the ICC’s Big Better Global Game. There are then, of course, the
lucrative television rights that are available to nations with their
own team. Sponsorship will also play a role.
One of the arguments often made against
establishing the team is that there will be no international matches
played in Wales any more and hence a loss of income. But this
argument comes from people who seem to believe that a match is only
international if England is playing in it. But of course when Wales
has her own team there will be considerably more international
cricket matches played in Wales, which brings new opportunities for revenue.
Qualification for tournaments also leads to increased revenue.
We only need to look to Ireland and see
the sold-out matches they play against England, Pakistan and other
touring sides, along with their appearance at World Cups, to see the
enormous funding potential for a Welsh team.
Ultimately, if you look at the amount
of funding that Cricket Ireland has then it is a similar level to the
money provided to Wales by the ECB. Cricket in Ireland is developing
rapidly and they are able to support a successful national team and
push for test status, which suggests that we would be more than
capable of funding ourselves.
Shouldn't we just make the England
team more Welsh? Wouldn't that be better?
That may be better for Wales than the
current situation but it certainly wouldn't be better for England.
The thing that we have to remember is that this isn't just about
what is good for Wales but also what is good for England too.
The English cricket team is very much a
unique expression of Englishness and English culture. From the
rendition of Jerusalem at the start of games (England’s unofficial
national anthem), to the Flag of St. George, the Barmy Army and the
Three Lions; the England cricket team is one of those rare occasions
where England revels in being English. This campaign is not about taking that away from them in order to impose some hybrid where we
attempt to mash together the cultures and symbolism of our two
countries into one team.
So if there can’t be a Welsh cricket
team then it would be an improvement to see Wales better represented as part of the current
England team (the name, the badge, the kit, the players etc.). But it would be better for all
concerned if we were able to have two teams that fully represent each
nation rather than one team that only half represents both of us.
Saturday 13 June 2009
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Tuesday 9 June 2009
Cymru fel gwlad yng nghystadlaethau Twenty20
Oddi ar wefan Vaughan Roderick, BBC Cymru
From Vaughan Roderick's blog, BBC Wales
From Vaughan Roderick's blog, BBC Wales
Criced yn yr Iwerddon AFP
Rwy'n deall y dadleuon ynghylch gemau prawf ac undydd ond oes 'na unrhyw reswm dros beidio cael Cymru fel gwlad yng nghystadlaethau Twenty20?
Friday 5 June 2009
ICC World Twenty20. Where's Wales? Ble mae Cymru?
Mae'r ICC World Twenty20 England 2009 newydd gychwyn, a bydd yn parhau tan Fehefin 21ain. Felly pa wledydd sy'n cymryd rhan? Awstralia, Bangladesh, Lloegr, Iseldiroedd, India, Iwerddon, Seland Newydd, Pacistan, Yr Alban, De'r Affrig, Sri Lanca. Iwerddon, Yr Alban a Lloegr ond dim Cymru! Rhaid i'r Cymry chwarae dan faner Lloegr. Mae'n sefyllfa gwbl warthus, a rhaid cael newid ar frys.
The ICC World Twenty20 England 2009 has just started, and will last until June 21. And what countries are taking part? Australia, Bangladesh, England, Holland, India, Ireland, New Zealand, Pakistan, Scotland, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies. Yes you read right, Ireland, Scotland and England, but no Wales! Our players must play for England. It is a complete and utter disgrace.
The ICC World Twenty20 England 2009 has just started, and will last until June 21. And what countries are taking part? Australia, Bangladesh, England, Holland, India, Ireland, New Zealand, Pakistan, Scotland, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies. Yes you read right, Ireland, Scotland and England, but no Wales! Our players must play for England. It is a complete and utter disgrace.
Monday 2 February 2009
Rhowch Dim Criced i Gymru - Give Wales a Cricket Team
Newydd ddod ar draws yr erthygl yma gan Adam Price ar ei flog.
Just recently found this article by Adam Price on his blog.
Just recently found this article by Adam Price on his blog.
Rhowch Dim Criced I Gymru - Give Wales a Cricket Team
It’s a mystery why a Celtic country with the strongest cricket tradition is hidden under the umbrella of England’s team when Scotland and Ireland have independent teams. Indeed, Wales has more cricket teams than Scotland and Ireland combined. For over a century, we’ve sustained a first rate team. And many of ‘England’s’ players have come from Wales.
In the two other famous team games - rugby and football - we have, luckily, national representation. And yet, cricket teams are just as numerous as football and rugby ones in Wales, indeed, even more so according to the cricket journalist Michael Blumberg. The standard of a Welsh test team would surely equal at least Zimbabwe or Bangladesh. So why not, therefore, venture in our own colours?
Opposers say that Wales is already represented in the England and Wales Cricket Board (the EWCB). But how often do you hear the second letter pronounced by the media or even game officials? Also, it’s only England that is represented in the team’s name. This is a bit like calling the West Indies team - the only other multi-nation team acknowledged by the International Cricket Committee, the ICC - Jamaica, or calling Ireland’s team Ulster or Eire.
The ICC remains neutral on the matter. So why, therefore, are Wales’ cricketers treated in this manner? The argument given states that money to Glamorgan would disappear. But why would this be the case? Glamorgan receives money because the team competes in the EWCB’s county competitions - not because the team produces players for England. In the same way, Swansea and Cardiff benefit from being part of the English football leagues but this doesn’t have any effect on Wales’ right to compete as national team
A new national team would be able to ask the Welsh Assembly Government for support, as it has a duty to support national teams as set out in the One Wales Document. Also, the ICC has development funds available to new nations. But the biggest prize of all would have to be beating England at Lords. An old-province avenging its former masters.
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Mae’n ddirgelwch pam y dylai’r wlad Geltaidd sydd a’r traddodiad criced cryfaf gael ei chuddio o dan ymbarel tim Lloegr pan fo gyda’r Alban ac Iwerddon dimau annibynnol. Mae gan Gymru mwy o glybiau criced na sydd gan yr Alban ac Iwerddon rhyngddynt. Rydym wedi cynnal tim o’r radd flaenaf ers dros ganrif. Ac mae nifer helaeth o chwaraewyr “Lloegr” wedi dod o Gymru.
Yn y ddau gem tim adnabyddus arall - sef rygbi a phel-droed - mae gyda ni gynrychiolaeth genedlaethol, diolch i’r drefn. Ac eto mae clybiau criced yng Nghymru yr un mor niferus a rhai rygbi neu pel-droed, neu hyd yn oed yn fwy yn ol y newyddiadurwr criced Michael Blumberg. Byddai safon tim prawf Cymreig yn gydradd o leiaf a Zimbabwe neu Bangladesh. Felly, pam ddim mentro yn ein lliwiau ein hunain?
Yn ol y gwrthwynebwyr, mae Cymru yn cael ei chynrychioli eisoes ym Mwrdd Criced Lloegr a Cymru (yr EWCB). Ond pa mor aml y clywch chi yr ail lythyren na yn cael ei ynganu gan y cyfryngau neu swyddogion y gem? A Lloegr yn unig, wedi’r cwbl, yw enw’r tim. Mae hyn ychydig bach fel galw tim India’r Gorllewin - yr unig dim criced arall aml-genedlaethol sy’n cael ei gydnabod gan y Cyngor Criced Rhyngwladol, yr ICC - yn Jamaica, neu alw tim unedig Iwerddon yn Ulster neu Eire.
Mae’r ICC yn niwtral ar y mater. Felly pam fod cricedwyr Cymru yn derbyn y fath sarhad? Y ddadl sydd yn cael ei grybwyll yw y byddai arian i Forgannwg yn diflannu. Ond pam? Mae Morgannwg yn derbyn yr arian oherwydd ei bod hi’n cystadlu ym nhystadlaethau sirol yr EWCB - nid am ei bod hi’n cynhyrchu chwaraewyr i dim Lloegr. Yn yr un modd mae Abertawe a Chaerdydd yn elwa o fod yn rhan o gynghreiriau pel-droed Lloegr heb newid dim ar yr hawl i Gymru gystadlu fel tim cenedlaethol.
Byddai tim cenedlaethol newydd yn medru gofyn am gymorth gan Lywodraeth Cymru sydd ag ymrwymiad i gefnogi timau cenedlaethol yn nogfen Cymru’n Un, a’r ICC sydd a chronfa datblygu ar gyfer cenhedloedd newydd. Ond y wobr fwyaf, does bosib, fyddai curo Lloegr yn Lords. Fel Indiaid y Gorllewin a’r Dwyrain: cyn-dalaith yn talu’r pwyth yn ol.
Wednesday 1 October 2008
Criced Cymru
O flog Gray's Monotony / From Gray's Monotony's blog
Criced Cymru
In light of Cardiff hosting a one-day international between England and South Africa a few weeks ago, Mohammad Ashgar AM called for Wales to establish a full national cricket side. How would this happen?
It is important to note at the outset that Wales does have a history of competing in international cricket. The first match was against Scotland in Perth in 1923 and Wales beat the West Indies in 1928. Half a century later Wales competed in the first ICC Trophy, a tournament for non-Test playing nations, won by Sri Lanka. More recently Wales have played England in 50-over games, winning handsomely in 2002 (admittedly with the distinctly non-Welsh Jacques Kallis on board).
Many Welshmen have been of Test match standard over the years, not all of whom were selected by England. The most notable and recent is Simon Jones who played such a big part in the 2005 Ashes success. Others include Simon's father Jeff, who won fifteen caps for England in the 1960s, and Robert Croft, who played twenty-one times for England between 1996 and 2001.
Glamorgan of course are the only first-class County side in Wales and so any Welsh line-up would inevitably be made up of many Glamorgan players. At the beginning at least, it could be that Welsh-born cricketers play for Wales in one-dayers, including the World Cup, but for England in Test matches. Ed Joyce played one-dayers for Ireland before winning Test caps for England.
A Wales Minor Counties team has existed since 1988 and competes in the Minor Counties Championship. Glamorgan themselves used to play in this competition until they were awarded first-class status in 1921. Wales Minor Counties also played in what was the NatWest or C&G Trophy - 'the FA Cup of cricket'. However, the format was altered in 2006, leaving no place for a Wales side.
So how might Wales get their own national cricket team?
Scotland have shown us the way. Scotland resigned from the UK Cricket Council (then superseded by the England and Wales Cricket Board, or ECB) in 1992 and two years later were elected to Associate membership of the International Cricket Committee. They qualified for the 1999 and 2007 World Cups and have since played in several other international tournaments, winning the inaugural ICC Intercontinental Cup. Capturing the ICC Trophy in 2005 meant that Scotland gained temporary first-class One-Day International Status in January 2006.
Currently it is the Welsh Cricket Association that looks after the amateur game in Wales. The Association is a member of the England and Wales Cricket Board, commonly referred to as the ECB with the W conveniently dropped. (Even the website is ecb.co.uk). Wales would have to break from the ECB and become an Associate or Affiliate member of the ICC to be able to enter the ICC World Cup Qualifier (formerly ICC Trophy). It is performing well in this competition that confers qualification for the World Cup.
There are many Welshmen at the top of the game. David Morgan, former Glamorgan and ECB Chairman, is now President of the International Cricket Committee, Tony Lewis - nine times capped by England - is Chairman of the MCC, and Hugh Morris (three caps) has worked for the ECB for many years and is currently Managing Director of England Cricket.
Ashgar's Plaid colleague Adam Price tabled an Early Day Motion in 2002 that expressed the desire for a Welsh national team to compete in the World Cup. Now that Ashgar has raised the issue once again, maybe the Assembly can put pressure on the top brass to give serious consideration to the proposal.
Thursday 22 March 2007
Adam Price EDM
Newydd ddod o hyd i'r EDM yma gan Adam Price AS a wnaethpwyd nol yn 2002. Dim ond 11 Aelod Seneddol wnaeth ei arwyddo ar y pryd, ond llongyfarchiadau i Adam am godi'r mater. Sylwer na gefnogodd unrhyw AS Llafur o Gymru y Cynnig, na chwaeth unrhyw aelod Seneddol Ceidwadol!
I've just found this Early Day Motion by Adam Price MP made back in 2002. Only 11 MP's signed the motion at the time, but congratulations to Adam Price for raising the matter. Note that none of the Welsh Labour MP's voted for the motion, and no Conservative MP's whatsoever supported it.
I've just found this Early Day Motion by Adam Price MP made back in 2002. Only 11 MP's signed the motion at the time, but congratulations to Adam Price for raising the matter. Note that none of the Welsh Labour MP's voted for the motion, and no Conservative MP's whatsoever supported it.
Price, Adam (Plaid Cymru - Cymru / Welsh Constituency)Price, AdamThat this House congratulates the Welsh Cricket Team on their historic eight wicket victory over England at Cardiff; recognises the contribution of Wales to the game of cricket; notes that Scotland and Ireland are recognised as official competing nations during the Cricket World Cup; and calls on Wales to be awarded the equivalent of full national status in the cricketing world
Llwyd, Elfyn (Plaid Cymru - Cymru / Welsh Constituency)
Jones, Nigel (Lib Dems - Lloegr / English Constituency)
Ewing, Annabelle (SNP - Yr Alban / Scottish Constituency)
George, Andrew (Lib Dems - Lloegr / English Constituency)
Thomas, Simon (Plaid Cymru - Cymru / Welsh Constituency)
Robertson, Angus (SNP - Yr Alban / Scottish Constituency)
Salmond, Alex (SNP - Yr Alban / Scottish Constituency)
Pickthall, Colin (Labour - Lloegr / English Constituency)
McDonnell, John (Labour - Lloegr / English Constituency)
Williams, Roger (Lib Dems - Cymu / Welsh Constituency)
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